Okay, so first go take a gander at this, and then I'm going to tell you something: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/nov/06/pirated-ebooks-threaten-future-of-serial-novels-warn-authors-maggie-stiefvater
The piracy of digital files is not a theft but a harm done to people, a loss of profit. It's absolutely illegal, though. Piracy is caused by the lack of a legal offer of quality and affordable prices. Since the supply of SVOD at competitive prices the piracy of films has been much reduced.
@Egide This is highly inaccurate. It is the theft of books, no different than taking them from a Barnes & Noble or Waterstone's without paying.
Piracy is caused by people feeling like they're ENTITLED to free ebooks because it's easy to right-click and download.
For your take to be accurate, libraries would have to be extinct.
I did not give an opinion, I just took the legal definition of digital file piracy as specified by law. I repeat hack ebooks is illegal and I completely dislike this practice that is harming people.
@Egide Ah, I see. Thank you for clarifying, I appreciate it.
@lilithsaintcrow I am very hostile to hacking but I am attentive to the legal definition of piracy of digital files. To combat these abusive practices, there must be no confusion. Comply with legal definitions.
@Egide I am a publishing professional, sir. Your attempt to mansplain the theft of my work to me is extremely unwelcome, clarification or no.
I think it best you cease.
@lilithsaintcrow I have never hack digital copyrighted files. I disapprove of this practice and I fight it by education and precise information of the right of the intellectual property. I think you misunderstand me.
@Egide Attempts to muddy the waters and somehow justify the theft by dressing it up as something else are unwelcome here.
@lilithsaintcrow Don't forget libraries. People get access to any book they want, completely free, e-books included. Some never even pay a penny for everything they read. Definitely an outdated institution in the 21st century.
Theft and copyright infringement are very different things. Both are illegal, but you cannot be tried for theft if you infringed copyright.
@lilithsaintcrow eBooks and video games were the two mediums I would still buy (video games because you're running untrusted code anyway; so why add to the risk with a dodgy torrent).
However with the recent Microsoft book store thing and all the issues with Amazon DRM ... I've started pirating books. If authors sold their books DRM free, I would gladly pay double to them personally. I try to buy their merch if they have podcast or support them some other way, but we need DRM free books.
Even though it is true that piracy is not the same as theft of physical goods, by committing piracy you are denying a livelihood to creators. Just because it is different doesn't make it less wrong.
The Hollywood machine and the software equivalent BSA do their share to drive people to piracy to be sure, but the actual effects of piracy cannot be ignored. It is because of bad people at multiple levels that we can't have nice things without DRM.
>we can't have nice things without DRM.
Music doesn't have DRM today. I buy tons of music off BandCamp. I prefer to buy the same game off HumbleBundle if I can get it DRM free. I'm a minimalist and have lived out of 2 bags for up to a year at a time, and I prefer ebooks to be able to keep notes. But I want to buy a book, not a license to a book that could go away. Give me a DRM free book store, and I will buy. No such service exists. @lilithsaintcrow
There are a number of other places you can get DRM free books as well: direct from some publishers (e.g. No Starch Press, Packt), direct from a lot of authors, or through less traditional storefronts like Smashwords and itch.io. Opinions differ on this, but you could also buy the paperback, donate it, and pirate the ebook ver to pay authors w/out supporting DRM.
There are so many options out there to support creators without supporting DRM, and the onus is on content CONSUMERS to make the effort to do so as much as possible, not on the creators to volunteer so much labour.
Most creators hate DRM but publish through such channels as a necessary evil. If you actually support author's through DRM-free channels then creators will embrace those channels over the DRM profiteers.
@djsumdog @msh @lilithsaintcrow not to mention that DRM straight up doesn't work. I can get any piece of media you want through privacy, DRM or not. Name anything at all and I can have a 1080p copy in minutes, with no ads, playable on any device I want. DRM *doesn't work*, the *only* thing it succeeds at is making content more annoying for people who *aren't* pirates. The only way is to make piracy the less convenient option, but media companies can't seem to figure that out because they'd rather nickle and dime you for every goddamn thing.
@sir I agree with you about the ultimate ineffectiveness of DRM, and the cluelessness of greedy media companies who rely on it. But they have long demonstrated their incompetence to "make piracy the less convenient option". Thus far piracy has done little more than make them double down on DRM and lobbying for oppressive IP laws.
We, as consumers, have to make the choice to use DRM free channels that compensate creators, sometimes at the expense of convenience.
That author that released a PDF consisting of the first few chapters of a book repeated several times, along with a message about the impact of piracy, experiencing a surge of sales was interesting.
Seems readers have to be hit over the head with the message. Writers may have to resort to crowdfinding style campaigns, explicitly stating they will not release further books until enough readers commit to buying them ahead of time.
Doesn't work well with new writers though :(
@msh That's a rather complicated solution. I prefer to go with the simpler one, which is "stopping people from stealing." *sigh*
@lilithsaintcrow yeah it shouldn't need to be that complicated. It's like having to go on strike to receive each paycheque.
@msh Exactly. We look askance at people who shoplift, who rob banks, who steal cars. But since thieves can right-click and download easily, they think they're ENTITLED.
I wouldn't dare.
I mean, free as in beer, no.
@thegibson I just cackled so loudly the dogs are Concerned. Well played.
Theft implies scarcity. Someone who chooses to copy a book for free isn't a lost sale because they wouldn't have bought it anyway.
@skypage That's a fallacy, and a canard besides. Just because it's easy to right-click and steal doesn't mean you should do it, any more than the ease of sticking a can of beans under your jacket and walking out of the supermarket does.
Your attempt to rationalize the theft of my work is duly noted, though.
It's entirely possible to make money and not restrict how people enjoy books (or other digital art) if you turn it into a value for value proposition. I donate to a free podcast because I value the show and I'm willing to give monetary value for the value I get from the show.
@lilithsaintcrow It's a fallacy that piracy is a loss of a sale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_sales). People who decry piracy as a lack of sales are simply decrying a lack of better sales. "The theater would be sold out, if only we sold all the tickets, but a bunch of people who wouldn't have bought tickets bought a bootleg so we'll blame them."
It sucks there won't be more work from an author you like, but considering how massive media is, this is a VERY common occurrence. Not everything will sustain.
@mlubert So a theft that I can see--someone pirating my book--is supposed to mean that there would never have been a sale? Did you even read the Guardian article I posted?
Your attempt to justify theft of my books is duly noted. Thanks for sharing who you are so clearly.
@lilithsaintcrow You're going to die on the "Every theft would 100% have bought my book so I can blame them for not being popular"
Nothing DESERVES popularity, and complaining that theft is the reason you're not popular is nonsense.
Andy Wier gave away The Martian for free for years on his website. When asked to collate it into an eBook, he did and charged a small fee. It became a best seller and later a movie.
But sure, insta block me and call me a man-splainer to protect your feelings.
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